bob the mage wrote:
Are you saying griefing is a positive or an admirable trait in a clan?
Are u really trying to twist my words in such way? Lol. I said that u saying 'Resurgence doesnt need to grief to be the top', implying that other clans do, is putting blame on other clans to make Resurgence look good, which puts u farther from being the best.
I don't need to twist your words, they are pretty plain and simple. This is pretty binary, either you agree griefing is bad, or you think its okay. Which is it crim? Either I should be able to say that griefing is an unadmirable quality in clans, or you think that it is an admirable quality. If it is an unadmirable quality than that means that since Resurgence doesn't need to grief to stay on top that nongriefing becomes an admirable quality for the clan. However, if you think griefing is a fine mechanism for remaining dominant on a server, than you would be right that I am just pulling random apples to say Resurgence is better.
Make up your mind Crim. Is griefing appropriate and admirable for a top clan? or is it not? Because from everything you have posted it seems that you are all for top clans using grieing as means to control bosses. I'm being nice and giving you a chance to clarify :-)
There u go
Lol It's funny how you guys believe whatever some sour grapes from a rival clan said about us. Avalon doesn't grief unprovoked, but we do retaliate and that's no secret. In fact the example this person gave was on a Necro, that he wasn't even there to witness what happened. All his accounts were from second hand information and acted like he was an expert on the matter. Of course, everything he heard was from his clannies on how they lost Necro because "Ava griefed". We won lock, we got griefed, we had to reset, we lost lock, we retaliated, they reset, and we won lock again. Apparently the first part always gets lost lmao. .
From everything I have read on Morrigan forum subpage, Havoc has tried to amend problems of the past. Furthermore, Avalon was never the sole targeting of what I said, I was pretty general in saying griefing is bad as a tactic. If Avalon doesn't use it as a tactic for domination than say such. Judging from your posts on the forums Ail, you dislike grieifng as a concept and tactic as much as I do.
The whole point behind retaliatory griefing should be to reach a compromise to stop all griefing.
Also I never targeted Avalon soley. There are plenty of other top clans that use griefing to stay on top, LD on Herne for example. My point was that clans that use griefing as a tactic for domination are clans that lack true strength as they cannot hold onto bosses without it.
Lol It's funny how you guys believe whatever some sour grapes from a rival clan said about us. Avalon doesn't grief unprovoked, but we do retaliate and that's no secret. In fact the example this person gave was on a Necro, that he wasn't even there to witness what happened. All his accounts were from second hand information and acted like he was an expert on the matter. Of course everything he heard was from his clannies on how they lost Necro because "Ava griefed". We won lock, we got griefed, we had to reset, we lost lock, we retaliated, they reset, and we won lock again. Apparently the first part always gets lost lmao. .
Didnt say I believe him, dont think anyone did but I dont like someone spreading rumors without any basis for it. GB15 used to say my clan griefs which is totally wrong, and as I dont want anyone spreading such thing on my clan I expect the same towards other clans. So when he said Avalon griefs and that makes Resurgence better even tho the stories about Resurgence can go for days, it bothered me.
Glad you bring this up. This was only the first 3 months of Resurgence being founded.
1) Res was under different leadership
2) BadaBing started the griefing, Resurgence was the smaller clan at the time and didn't want griefing, but because it was the smaller clan had no choice but to respond.
3) griefing died down after 3 months and has never returned to arawn since.
So ya it happened, but I already admitted that this happened. Never tried to hide it. The point is that we know this is not how a top clan should lead a server and have since worked with other clans so that no griefing is needed.
anything else guys?