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Re: Edl/Dl Spite

#12
I can't believe many rogues don't see the fallacy of the Spite. You guys ok with nullifying ur dps on boss? Is clans ok with giving 5runes/8crowns to get an offhand that gets less n less out of it as more offhands there?

As it stands the rogue offhand skill is the worst out of all 3. Its behind mage offhand skill in the realistic scenario. Please don't pull the numbers 1v1 coz it doesn't exist anymore on raids. On an average 4-5rondels are usually there in most raids. 7-8 in major raids. There is very well a chance of doing 0 total spite dmg for a rogue, not to mention lapping of the Spite over n over and affects boss dps because the tic gets pushed back.

The reason for this thread to exist also shows the fault in the skill. Although as it is, DL spite shudnt override Eldritch, it basically means any DL offhand in a clan is a useless for a large part(don't pull the use on adds logic) , even worse than DL mage offhand coz its skill actually does dmg on boss

Muldar wrote:I believe it was changed in a previous update to overwrite DL due to community feedback: http://celtic-heroes.com/forum/viewtopi ... =spite+edl

http://celtic-heroes.com/forum/viewtopi ... dl#p659956

There's so many posts highlighting this issue. Is it that hard to change this to a dmg on impact? Sure nerf the total dmg of the spite compared to how it would've done alone at a boss, or even as duo but change this skill to something that I know I can cast independently of other rogues there and will do a meaningful dps. Can we get a word from the team they're looking into this for next release, if not this one?
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Re: Edl/Dl Spite

#13
DOT in CH is just messed up, period. OTM needs to fix DOTs in such a way that they do not cancel each other, then we're all good. But then, from the technical standpoint, it's the most difficult to do, so just change Spite to be a castable damage spell kind of like shadowstrike or quick strike. Nerf the damage, sure. But as it is, I DO NOT appreciate camping and killing hundreds of Snorris/PHs only to not able to use my DL dagger on raids.

Re: Edl/Dl Spite

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Jake wrote:To clarify, from my understanding the general consensus is that both EDL and DL spite should be able to remain active on a boss at the same time.

Would defeat half the purpose of having edl offhand if dl was to run at the same time.

Re: Edl/Dl Spite

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Oralface wrote:Would defeat half the purpose of having edl offhand if dl was to run at the same time.

How so? Edl skill is still doing way more damage than dl skill. The purpose is not at all defeated.

But in the current system, all that work that goes into getting a DL rondel is useless effort because the skill doesn't work on any boss as long as somebody has EDL. That is where the defeated purpose lies.
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Re: Edl/Dl Spite

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BlackMamba wrote:What's also unfair is that edl quiver and rondel are both 10x better than mage edl offhand. And that isn't an exaggeration


Lol you must not play a druid. Except at Gelebron while tanking, my clan dosent use the druid offhand skill at all. Not even at Necro. At least Mage offhand does damage and dosent overide lol.
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Re: Edl/Dl Spite

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The rogue offhand skill is so much better than any other quest weapon skill for any class either all other classes need a major boost if rogues get a small one or this needs to stay nerfed. Otherwise it would severely unbalance things more than they already are.
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Re: Edl/Dl Spite

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Yeh edl shouldn't override dl, only reason I see for that is now you have to have keep a few people with a dl rondel so you can have both skills going at the same time.
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Re: Edl/Dl Spite

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saladin7 wrote:
As it stands the rogue offhand skill is the worst out of all 3. Its behind mage offhand skill in the realistic scenario. Please don't pull the numbers 1v1 coz it doesn't exist anymore on raids. On an average 4-5rondels are usually there in most raids. 7-8 in major raids. There is very well a chance of doing 0 total spite dmg for a rogue, not to mention lapping of the Spite over n over and affects boss dps because the tic gets pushed back.


Rogue offhand does divine damage every hit, does it not? That alone is much more than the crap mage offhand skill.
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Re: Edl/Dl Spite

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Plus3 wrote:The rogue offhand skill is so much better than any other quest weapon skill for any class either all other classes need a major boost if rogues get a small one or this needs to stay nerfed. Otherwise it would severely unbalance things more than they already are.

The ranger skill is definitely better than the rogue one.
The mage one is also arguably better.
Reason being - you can have multiple people doing them at the same time. If you gave every rogue in your clan an EDL rondel, most of them would just be going to waste because only 2-3 of them would be able to use the skill.

The only benefit of the EDL rondel is its stats. The skill presents no benefit at all as long as you already have 2 rondels at a fight.
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