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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Seipper wrote:
paggasquid wrote:Fire and ice are pretty equal. All depends which boss you are fighting.

For leveling fire is superior. The only way I see ice being more usefull is when you are dual logging. Ice has longer cooldowns so may be easier.


Ice is better for killing 3* and 4* mobs because 2 ice hits and a 3* is dead and 3 ice hits and a 4* is dead where it can take 4-6 fire hits to kill. However on 1* and 2* mobs fire is definitely superior.


I would love to see you kill a 4* in 2 hits... Thats 20k damage ish at level 120 for you? I doubt that you can even hit 12k in two hits.
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Seipper wrote:
Poisonouslugh wrote:
Seipper wrote:
Simply incorrect. Ice does more damage for short fights, and often lock fights where fire does more damage for long fights.

Wrong let's say my ice blast does 12k and my fire bolt does 8k. I get 3x fire bolts to 1x ice blast which means potentially I'm hitting 24k in the same time ice blast takes to cool down. Ice is only good for support class and your top hit nothing more...


Bending the truth. You use fire best dps skill and ice worst. I never said Ice does more damage in long fights what are you not getting? Lets say shards is 15k blast is 12k. Bolt is 9k and storm is 12k(generous). Ice would be doing a lot more damage in a quick 10-20 second fight where once fire has enough time to keep recasting there quick skills they out dps.


try it out. I can guarantee you that if you have to do more then one hit a fire mage would outdps any ice mage. If its a one shot lock battle then an ice mage may put up a competition(still doubtfull since firemages have insta firebolts).

I have no clue why you would think that ice mages are superior in 10-20 second fights. In a 20 second fight ice mages can do at least two shards and blast. If ice mages are superior with 2 hits then that would mean they have better dps in general, so also in long fights. Facts have proven that's not the case.
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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You are correct that fire mages do more damage. What are you not getting in 17 seconds an ice mage has dealt 30k damage with shards and 12k with blast. In 17 seconds a fire mage has dealt 18k with bolt and 10k with storm. In the long run fire does waaaaaay more damage, but in short fights ice is better.
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Just did a test with realistic figures on my mage using my average damage I can hit 32k within the cool down of ice blast Where my ice mage will hit 22k. So in a lock battle a fire mage would out dps an ice mage. Against a rogue by the time you have cast shards and blast the mob would already be locked by a rogue if you where ice... (tested against my rogue as well) unless you wanna run around sacing and luring fire would always be your best option.
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Poisonouslugh wrote:Just did a test with realistic figures on my mage using my average damage I can hit 32k within the cool down of ice blast Where my ice mage will hit 22k. So in a lock battle a fire mage would out dps an ice mage. Against a rogue by the time you have cast shards and blast the mob would already be locked by a rogue if you where ice... (tested against my rogue as well) unless you wanna run around sacing and luring fire would always be your best option.


You are completely missing my point. You act like all battles are long. You can hit more damage than ice in 25 seconds?(ice blast recharge) I said Ice does more damage 10-20 seconds so 25 seconds is irrelevant.
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Ignoring cool down reduction items, fire mages will out DPS ice mages after their second fire bolt assuming no evades. This is at about the 10 second mark, so I really don't know why there's a need to argue about this for so long..
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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I'm not missing your point your trying to say you can get more out of ice where you can cast fire bolt almost twice in the time it take you to even cast ice blast. Which means no ice will not help with locks or dps in small fights. As well the damage from a fire bolt almost out Does ice shards as seen below.
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Poisonouslugh wrote:I'm not missing your point your trying to say you can get more out of ice where you can cast fire bolt almost twice in the time it take you to even cast ice blast. Which means no ice will not help with locks note dps in small fights. As well the damage from a fire bolt almost out Does ice shards as seen below.


aaaand an ice mage with your gear would do 15-16k damage. Ice is burst damage for short fights, fire is for long fights. I simply do not know what you are missing. Very often lock fights are freakishly short so the burst damage wins.
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Seipper wrote:
Poisonouslugh wrote:I'm not missing your point your trying to say you can get more out of ice where you can cast fire bolt almost twice in the time it take you to even cast ice blast. Which means no ice will not help with locks note dps in small fights. As well the damage from a fire bolt almost out Does ice shards as seen below.


aaaand an ice mage with your gear would do 15-16k damage. Ice is burst damage for short fights, fire is for long fights. I simply do not know what you are missing. Very often lock fights are freakishly short so the burst damage wins.

Lol stop trying to justify something you have no idea about. If we where talking about a 1*mob yea ice would 1 hit it but then a fire mage will be onto his 3rd before you would even start your second nuff said. Before starting an argument next time probably a good idea to Learn what your talking about before questioning an end game mage that's been there and done it all....
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Re: Ice vs Fire

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Poisonouslugh wrote:
Seipper wrote:
Poisonouslugh wrote:I'm not missing your point your trying to say you can get more out of ice where you can cast fire bolt almost twice in the time it take you to even cast ice blast. Which means no ice will not help with locks note dps in small fights. As well the damage from a fire bolt almost out Does ice shards as seen below.


aaaand an ice mage with your gear would do 15-16k damage. Ice is burst damage for short fights, fire is for long fights. I simply do not know what you are missing. Very often lock fights are freakishly short so the burst damage wins.

Lol stop trying to justify something you have no idea about. If we where talking about a 1*mob yea ice would 1 hit it but then a fire mage will be onto his 3rd before you would even start your second nuff said. Before starting an argument next time probably a good idea to Learn what your talking about before questioning an end game mage that's been there and done it all....


except you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. How about I tell you next time keep it to a debate rather than attacking to attempt to justify. Any powerful ice mage can often 1 hit 2* mobs. Now you ignore my statement about bosses.
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