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Bank stealing

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Account sharing breaks terms or service have messaged muldar before about this and he said clans know the risk of account sharing and they can not help with this the fact that they helped you get the bank back once shows favouratism which is disappointing many servers over the years have had bank account stolen did otm ever get there stuff back no. Otm did the right thing giving back the stuff to The person other wise they would of had to solve all the issues from 2011 for every server on clan bank stealers. Also the fact that they have given you someone else’s account for a short time is shocking regardless of the items. Otm go above and beyond for resurgence and should apologise to the person who’s low level bank was given to others. Also issues regarding storing items somewhere would be solved by giving them to clannyies instead of storing them in a bank to rot
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Re: Bank stealing

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Also what’s the point of crying back for these items they are in the bank for a reason to never be used again atleast that other dude can circulate that gear backin arawn. While that doesn’t benefit resurgence it benefits the rest of arawn
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Re: Bank stealing

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Ok, while some of OP is valid, can we let this can of worms die?
Muldar said what needed to be said, lets not reopen a sore point especially here.
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Re: Bank stealing

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Mind wrote:Ok, while some of OP is valid, can we let this can of worms die?
Muldar said what needed to be said, lets not reopen a sore point especially here.

Thank you Mind.

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Re: Bank stealing

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ranger123 wrote:Account sharing breaks terms or service have messaged muldar before about this and he said clans know the risk of account sharing and they can not help with this the fact that they helped you get the bank back once shows favouratism which is disappointing many servers over the years have had bank account stolen did otm ever get there stuff back no. Otm did the right thing giving back the stuff to The person other wise they would of had to solve all the issues from 2011 for every server on clan bank stealers. Also the fact that they have given you someone else’s account for a short time is shocking regardless of the items. Otm go above and beyond for resurgence and should apologise to the person who’s low level bank was given to others. Also issues regarding storing items somewhere would be solved by giving them to clannyies instead of storing them in a bank to rot


1. Muldar has stated clan banks are the exception to the rule of account sharing.

2. Just because I or you or someone else got screwed over doesn't mean it's okay for everyone to get negatively impacted. OTM has said all trades are final but they have also gone and banned accts that are made using names similar to well known high level toons and they have returned the items to those players. They haven't returned items to every player that has complained about being scammed but they have to some.

3. There's a huge difference between not letting clan mates have gear and it gets stored in the bank until it's bid on or given through a vote or however clans do their loaning of loot.
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Re: Bank stealing

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ranger123 wrote:Also what’s the point of crying back for these items they are in the bank for a reason to never be used again atleast that other dude can circulate that gear backin arawn. While that doesn’t benefit resurgence it benefits the rest of arawn


If those players want that type of gear they should group up, lix up, use their time, and kill the bosses that drop the items. Anything else is holding hands and singing kumbyeyah and entitlement.
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Re: Bank stealing

#7
Mind wrote:Ok, while some of OP is valid, can we let this can of worms die?
Muldar said what needed to be said, lets not reopen a sore point especially here.


I believe we can have a discussion about this issue as a general discussion and not revolving around 1 specific clan. I'd love to see some ideas that the players could come up that could help with the issue of clan banks and the possibility of a player running off with all the gear.
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Re: Bank stealing

#8
I can't understand why they justified the reversal of the decision that they had previously agreed with. Had the clan then removed all clan items and then otm handed back an empty account no one would care. Its not about the ownership of the account its about the ownership of the items that have wrongfully been stolen, regardless of whether they were going to be used or not. It IS theft.

Re: Bank stealing

#9
First off, smh... Please reread the account of what happened...

ranger123 wrote:Account sharing breaks terms or service

Yet OTM has also said they will not ban banks. This difference in treatment proves that clan banks fall into a grey area, and as such, do not fall into precisely the same category as your standard shared account does.
ranger123 wrote:have messaged muldar before about this and he said clans know the risk of account sharing and they can not help with this the fact that they helped you get the bank back once shows favouratism which is disappointing many servers over the years have had bank account stolen did otm ever get there stuff back no.

This is pretty illogical. By your logic, regardless if a precedent is good or bad, because it is a precedent all future cases should follow it? There was at one point a time where slavery was a precedent. Clearly this precedent was flawed, and wrong, and should not be allowed to continue to dictate how our society functions. Precedents are useful as instead of reiterating an argument you can bring back up that it already worked, but that doesn't mean it isn't, nor shouldn't be subject to review, and changed as need be.
ranger123 wrote:Otm did the right thing giving back the stuff to The person other wise they would of had to solve all the issues from 2011 for every server on clan bank stealers

See the above on precedents... An action isn't right because it's easy, if anything an action is more likley to be right because it was hard... Cheating on a test is much easier than studying, but that doesn't make it right... Slavery was easier, but that doesn't make it right... The goodness of an action is not judged on how easy it is, but by the merits of the action itself.
ranger123 wrote:Also the fact that they have given you someone else’s account for a short time is shocking regardless of the items.

This is where you really start to fall off the horse so to speak.
The account never was anyone else's account. The account has always belonged to the chieftain of the clan. The person who ended up with the account was in charge of organizing the bank and handing out drops, nothing more. That person's email was attached to the account unbeknownst to the rest of the clan... It was never this person's account. The account has one level 1 toon that is a bank toon. From it's first second to its last that was its sole purpose.
OTM did not give us someone's account, they retrieved something that was stolen.

Here is an example so that you can understand.
Bill's Groceries is a local grocery store run by Bill, with his best friend Lili as CFO. Lili decides one day to take all the money out of the buisness and place it into her personal account. Bill freaks out and calls the cops to help.
What should the cops due? Lili has worked on finances the whole time, but the money was never hers, it belonged to the buisness, but she was the one who signed off on all of the financial forms, everything was attatched to her.
The cops give all the money to the business.
A month later the cops come back and have the bank transfer the money back to Lili, saying that because she handled the money, the money must be hers.

In this scenerio the clan is the store, the chief is Bill, the money is well, the bank, and Lili is the gen who stole from the bank.
Is this right? Lili did nothing but handle the money, yet she got to keep it when she left with it. She never earned it her self, she just counted it and redistributed it within the company was she saw fit as CFO.

This is exactly what happened to our banks. The general had no real claim to the banks other than that it was her job to keep track of the drops and redistribute them.

ranger123 wrote:Otm go above and beyond for resurgence and should apologise to the person who’s low level bank was given to others.

They go above and beyond for their players? Why that is just ludicrous! A company that cares about its customers? They should be shut down at once!
They show our clan no more favoritism than they show any other. If anything from actions taken recently our clan feels that they show favoritism to those who accuse us.\
In all reality, an objective look at what is going on shows that OTM is more likley to take the word of the small guy as they will have less pull on the server and ability to get places over the big guy who can push things around to change how they appear. Straight forward? OTM is more likley to take the word of the small guy/clan over Resurgence, which it has proven itself to do on multiple occasions.

ranger123 wrote:Also issues regarding storing items somewhere would be solved by giving them to clannyies instead of storing them in a bank to rot

And how do you figure out who gets what?
Where do drops go that no one needs at that moment but may need in the future?
A bank is a storage place for in between times when someone doesn't need that particular drop. No drop is meant to sit in the bank forever.
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Re: Bank stealing

#10
Honestly im just shocked that the leaders never thought to move the items to a new acount as soon as recieving the banks back. Woulda been the first thing that i would have done on a compromised acc. We all live and learn
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