Zyz wrote:Zkills wrote:Aileron wrote:The OP and Zkills insist it's not pay to win. The rest of players do. We can leave it at that.
Lmao clearly. By "the rest of us" do you mean you and 3 other endgame know it alls that think they're always right just because they're endgame?
You don't know what a pay to win is, clearly. So stop trying argue against the actual definition
Pay to progress quicker is an ACTUAL definition commonly used amongst the gaming community. It basically means you arnt forced to buy plat, but buying plat speeds up the progress. So so ignorant
You're right. I'm changing my opinion of what makes a game p2w to yours which is if you don't have to pay its not p2w even if someone else had to pay. I used to think console games were p2w since you have to buy them to win. But I gave my son my ps3 games he can win them without paying. And GoW isn't p2w either. You just have to find someone else to spend money on your acct so you won't have to and then it's not p2w according to your definition. I like it.
To some players, CH endgame is free. Just like some kids think food is free and houses are free. Because their parents pay for it.
Furyion wrote:YES YOU CAN KILL NECRO WITHOUT PLAT ITEMS. Done. You just need to use your brains instead of sheer numbers. Druids would become more important, shield bash may become more important, energy boost may be important, spring of life may actually be viable..
Maybe today. Not when the soft cap was 190 and there was no such thing as Exalted and other OP lux. Back then, Necro was a pay-to-win endgame boss. Using idols on Necro means you're already dependent on plat items to win the encounter. Gelebron is the endgame. Show me a clan at this point that can kill Gelebron without using any single plat item.
Furyion wrote:And, you guys are forgetting about the free offers, which make you spend $0, and you can buy your hotbars and whatnot.
Again, just because you don't pay for something, doesn't mean it's free. It's just a narrow view of the real world. Free plat cost advertising $$, so the fact that you need platinum to buy hotbars which you need to play effectively, then it's also a pay-to-win.