Celtic Heroes

I agree that this game is not pay to win. There are ways around everything. Also if ur server has a trustworthy person that dices, u could use that as a gamble to get some money. I dont reccomend that tho.

Anyways u dont need lixs, u can lvl up to endgame without lixs if u have patience.

You're confusing 'Pay to win' with 'Pay to play'.

Exactly. Pay to play is the inability to process at all in game without paying money directly. Pay to win is mostly when the things bought by the buyable currency change the whole gameplay. In CH, the plat items are the most needed items, and a person who pays has much higher chances to 'win', thus its a pay to win even if we dont spend the money directly.

That wouldn't make sense though, there are free games that you can play completely free casually but if you want to be the best you must pay. I'd see that as pay to win and not pay to play. Pay to play would be more like WOW or something with subscription fees.
I also agree with Spanks. Anyways apart from your definition of pay to play I understand how it could be perceived in different ways and viewed differently.

Why are we having this discussion? OTM is a company and it needs to earn money and make a profit to be able to pay for staff, taxes, costs of developing the came and running servers etc etc. It's quite natural they have to earn money from selling plats and therefor plat items are important in the game. Still you are given a choice to not buy plat and still be able to bug plat items with the in game currency Gold. Quite generous of OTM to be honest. Simple as that.

If OTM were to make a new server without a plat store and without any changes to game mechanics, how far do you think people would be able to get? If that server had only v3 areas, would a clan be able to take down Aggy without having access to plat items? Probably not. It's fairly easily done on most servers as people have been able to advance past that and, at the time, having the Aggy drops made clans more effective in taking him down.

Without plat items, I don't think this would have happened. Same thing goes as the game has progressed.

The fact that you may not have spent much or any on plat doesn't matter. Someone has to purchase it for the servers to have these items. Many non-plat buyers would quit if OTM made plat no trade. This alone signifies how much it is needed for the game.

You're confusing 'Pay to win' with 'Pay to play'.

Exactly. Pay to play is the inability to process at all in game without paying money directly. Pay to win is mostly when the things bought by the buyable currency change the whole gameplay. In CH, the plat items are the most needed items, and a person who pays has much higher chances to 'win', thus its a pay to win even if we dont spend the money directly.

That wouldn't make sense though, there are free games that you can play completely free casually but if you want to be the best you must pay. I'd see that as pay to win and not pay to play. Pay to play would be more like WOW or something with subscription fees.
I also agree with Spanks. Anyways apart from your definition of pay to play I understand how it could be perceived in different ways and viewed differently.

Free to play game example : Neverwinter.

The shop gives u no extreme boost, also, u can get the buyable currency through in-game currency.

Haven't played neverwinter, maybe I'll check it out

Neverwinter is a console game that you buy. So I'm not sure it's technically free to play since you have to buy the game

You guys are basing pay to win as 2 different things.

For example team Bourne is considering pay to win as it being neccesay for EVERY player to spend money out of their pocket to win and obv that's not true. People have gotten far in the game spending 0$ only depending upon merching farming and dicing.

Team Aileron is basing pay to win off of ANYONE paying money to buy plat. He is saying tht it is neccesay for people to spend plat so that everyone can lvl. Without the plat buyers who will supply the lix (there is free offers people can do but tht doesn't last long)

So it all depends on what u consider pay to win both schools of thought r neither right or wrong they are just different ways to view the game but ofc everyone has a opinion.

This post is to clear things off because you guys are arguing about this game but r thinking in 2 different ways

You guys are basing pay to win as 2 different things.

For example team Bourne is considering pay to win as it being neccesay for EVERY player to spend money out of their pocket to win and obv that's not true. People have gotten far in the game spending 0$ only depending upon merching farming and dicing.

Team Armo is basing pay to win off of ANYONE paying money to buy plat. He is saying tht it is neccesay for people to spend plat so that everyone can lvl. Without the plat buyers who will supply the lix (there is free offers people can do but tht doesn't last long)

Team Armo is talking about pay to play not play to win

You guys are basing pay to win as 2 different things.

For example team Bourne is considering pay to win as it being neccesay for EVERY player to spend money out of their pocket to win and obv that's not true. People have gotten far in the game spending 0$ only depending upon merching farming and dicing.

Team Armo is basing pay to win off of ANYONE paying money to buy plat. He is saying tht it is neccesay for people to spend plat so that everyone can lvl. Without the plat buyers who will supply the lix (there is free offers people can do but tht doesn't last long)

Team Armo is talking about pay to play not play to win

Your right lol sry armo u just lost ur team now it's team Aileron vrs team Bourne