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Re: Revote on 188+ dbl dicing

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Re: Revote on 188+ dbl dicing

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This vote should be postponed until we figure out what we want our options to be. There's a few other good options being discussed. Forcing people to vote between either getting rid of one option that isn't working that well or the other lone option that thor wants isnt good policy imo.

Lets discuss this further in one of the other threads and let akbar or azz frame a proposal after some discussion.

Re: Revote on 188+ dbl dicing

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OK, as a few have pointed out, we do not quite have all the options here or considered all the possibilities.

for melee, who have to be 185 to dice, there are least three reasonable options i have seen
1. current method (188+ gets two rolls for 190 lvl drops)
2. if you can fight you can dice, (rule one was based on how hard it was to get to 190 in the past, it is a bit easier now)
3. you can only dice if you are of a level to use the item (produces a level efficiency, but why should you have the chance for something really good, especially if lvling up isn't too onerous anymore)

For melee, since the level requirement is 185, i think it is nearly an non-issue. Melee classes can level quickly and most want to hit 190 so their attacks get full power.

Support classes and casters however, may need different consideration. first, they are allowed into battle at 180 (10 levels below the best drop requirements), and support casters do not really need to level as much to be effective. for example, if my equipment remains the same, my druid's heal will not increase too much (5% maybe) by going from 180-190. I am not saying those 10 extra skill points won't be very handy, but my primary goal in a battle is to heal people, and that will not be hugely affected by leveling (from 180 to 190) since those skills are allready maxed out.

This observation is not a reason to allow or disallow dicing for high level drops, but it is something to consider. For me, getting a good 190 drop is likely to encourage me to start lvling again.

as i see it, we have the same 3 options for casters, we just need to consider if the dicing rule for melee and casters needs to be the same since the level to join the fight is different.

personally, considering where we are, i would just go with 'if you are eligible to fight, you are eligible to dice'. it is consistent with how we do other bosses. As someone pointed out, this is not the early days when rules had to be tweaked to achieve success.

so, i have 3 viable options there. there are certainly others or variations. if you would like another option to be added to the list, please explain. once we have the options and discussion about the options, we can hold a vote.

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Re: Revote on 188+ dbl dicing

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Angusog (Peasant)↓
Re: suggestion for level 190 mordris drops
Fri May 23, 2014 4:03 pm
First off, the 188 rule was proposed before otm added higher lvl mobs. It makes no sense now. Wouldn't be opposed to only lvl 190+ rolling on lvl 190 req items, but for this to be fair, would have to be voted in only by people under lvl 190.
In any case, you have all made valid points and the consensus seems to be that if you make the lvl req for the fight, you can roll for anything that boss drops. The lvl req should remain as is:
185 melee
180 casters
Simple.

In other words...

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Re: Revote on 188+ dbl dicing

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Adebayor wrote:This vote should be postponed until we figure out what we want our options to be. There's a few other good options being discussed. Forcing people to vote between either getting rid of one option that isn't working that well or the other lone option that thor wants isnt good policy imo.

Lets discuss this further in one of the other threads and let akbar or azz frame a proposal after some discussion.

Adeb I don't see where I'm forcing anybody, to do anything. And not 100% sure on your issue with me?? But I posted what a lot of us had talked about. And apparently it's not just what I want. A lot have voted for option 2. When they could have said other wise. So instead of trying to run me down, and talk down to me. Look at what people are voting for. So adeb plz refrain from talking down to me or about me.
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Re: Revote on 188+ dbl dicing

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Nicely put ak, as I've said before, I still think that the 188+ rule should stay in place for casters. Or raise caster req to 185 like melee or dice by what u can equip. Elle's suggestion hasn't been discussed much but it could be an easy solution that everyone could be happy with too.

All these options should be voted on though I'm guessing the lower 180s will all vote for the 'if u can fight u can dice for anything' rule, with their reasoning being, "idc what is best for lugh, i want dat shiny item." :/

It'll take months for these 180's to get to 190. Maybe even next update. Them having a 190 drop right now just doesn't seem right. Letting them dice for these drops would probably help me more since theres 4 180 mages in my clan but I am still against it because it'll hold lugh back altogether. As rand pointed out, we were supposed to be killing mordy to be prepared necro.

And to thor-if u don't have anything constructive to add to this conversation then please refrain from posting about it. Posts attempting to call me out over nothing and your hastily made ballot aren't helping anything. People reading this topic don't really care that you're offended by some comment i said to u in game (which i still think was deserved) or that you're offended i said you were forcing us, it's only getting us off topic. And yes, trying to create an official ballot, with just those two options, before any further discussion on the other options, is forcing us to follow your agenda.

I might try to start a discussion about lugh becoming a dominant clan server soon. I really do think it could help us a lot. Especially with lugh becoming smaller and smaller. These decisions could be made by a respected group of generals instead of this random grp of forum people. We all get along well enough and the only ones killing necro are these super clans. It'll be same in future with Crom too. Sorry to get off topic a bit.

Re: Revote on 188+ dbl dicing

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Ok my post so can go off topic if I like. Adeb telling me to stfu or gtfo. Was uncalled for very much. U was arguing in grp chat. I only made the comment less arguing more fighting mordy. So no your rude ass comments was uncalled for. And lugh doesn't want a dom clan adeb. If that's what u r seeking I'm sure other servers would love u. And as far as the vote I put up it was open for disscussion. So no adeb it's not following my agenda.
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