Celtic Heroes

Criminal, you proved marcus's point perfectly, arguing from the perspective of the majority. You said the only time you help a lower level is when you get called to a boss. That is not because you want to help, it is because you have a chance at getting the drop and a decent sum of money. You only have one example of helping a lower level with something besides a boss, and that is because you want to show off. "most of the ppl care when low lvls ask"? I would say that almost none do. The less it benefits them, the less of a chance they'll help. You can call a high level for stonelord and they'll come running. Tell them that stonefang is up and you are ignored. You also seem to hate random people that send group, trade, or friend requests. Well thats obvious, based on what you have said you exclusively ask for help and almost never give help. The more low levels on your friend list the more help you have to give, and that just seems so unfair doesnt it! To quote a high level, "cbf (cant be f'ed) helping, im busy atm"

i guess u didnt read all
thats mostly when i help cuz thats the help that ppl ask, like jhim and what he said, hes really high lvl so ppl ask him to help with bosses mostly, but for example ik that he didnt help with just that, he helped me a lil to build my ranger, and also ppl that r asking me help with quests
defectors, the dreadful\vile\seeking eyes, the new bosses, some questions but mostly i dont get any questions, if i'll get any and i'll know the answer so yes i'll help
sometimes im getting help from ppl lvls 80+ (thats a lil lower than me), Evilclown is helping me a lot with questions, sometimes im helping with my druid, sometimes ppl asking me to join for boss but im helping without group
dont say im only helping with bosses, mostly lower lvls ask help for bosses, i'll come if they need me and im not busy, so if its fellfire do u think i need suns and moons? im passing my drops to DragonSpirit anyway, the new bosses in this event, even low lvls asking me help on the lirs bosses when im passing by
like i want to get help when i need i'll also help, i cant get help if im not helping at all, sometimes im not helping if the guy who wants help is annoying, like i said when they say "u look so cool" or something and one sec after u say ty they ask for free stuff
dont say im not helping if u dont know, everyone r helping to mostly everyone who asks, u just need to see

Ok so obviously there are people who do care out there. Like Jhim, mamba, criminal, ect, ect.

These are the poeple who should be in my clan. This is what my clan is made for.

I think the problem is that my clan is just so hard to deal with that the people who I want aren't yet mentally strong enough to stay lol.

I am going to make 1 minor change that will have major impact on my clan.

Stay posted.

I think this games is approached by each player in their own way. We all play for different reasons and in different capacities. Compare CH to playing soccer...many enjoy just getting out and kicking a ball around with friends while others compete at a high level and make careers from it (doubt this will ever be a viable idea for CH players ). Others take more of a support position as coaches and mentors. None of these roles are right or wrong they are just different ways of enjoying a game. Many of us do care about others but as has already been pointed out we can't help everyone all of the time (jobs, family, friends and sleep limit our play time).

I have been called many things in this game by people who I didn't help or "ignored". It is not my job to kill bosses for others or give them stuff. I put in a lot of time to be where I am and I have many to thank for helping me get there too but we helped each other...no one did it for us. Whenever I can I'm more than happy to answer questions (other than "can u give me something" that one I will ignore!) and if I see a player trying to better himself I don't mind lending a hand. For me "family" will always come first but I try to make time for others when I can.

Am I the only one who really cares about low lvl?

One approach is to give fish to a hungry person, every day.
Another approach is to teach the person fishing.

What do u mean saying "helping low lvl"? Give food or to teach fishing?

An example of this occured yesterday, when my alt requested to join a pantheon group for chillmist while they were waiting for a druid. I whispered to ask if I could join group, even pleaded, and was flat out ignored. Midway through the fight they tell me I need to level more so I can "be stronger", even though my cloak on their tank is doing 140 damage. When someone told them who my main is they finally grouped me. This just shows the greed that runs through everyone: omg this noob might be lying and steal a sun or a moon "O his main is a druid, I need to let him in so he can help me back later". Of course, they made me give up the sun disc that I needed, despite the many times in the past when I allowed them to keep drops from rockbelly and other bosses to equip their alts with armor I dont even have yet. People are too selfish and even when they help others it is often because they expect help in return later. I have often been whispered "come heal me. I helped your alt kill this defector, remember?" Oiuy, your point is valid but I think both are often appropriate. You can give someone knowledge or physical items, but they can be equally effective at helping the "noobs". I often converse with high levels and learn what stats and skills are most useful and in what combination, then pass them down to the low levels (some of whom have passed me long ago). This describes Oiuy's "teaching to fish", but I have found that usually the person comes back for more help. On the other hand, I have almost always let in the lower levels in boss groups who need the kill and passed them drops I dont need, essentially "giving them fish". In the grand scheme, I think they are equally valuable to the average low level, but neither prevents them from coming back for more. In this game you cannot give anything that'll keep someone perfectly satisfied and independent. Teach them how to make gold, give advice, give drops, etc...there is no limit to how much someone wants. Even for high levels: they all want to be higher level than those around them, join a better clan, get better armor, have full lux items, and repeat for their alts. The chain does not even end there; most high levels who have everything they could possible want turn to collecting and buy any rare item being sold.

An example of this occured yesterday, when my alt requested to join a pantheon group for chillmist while they were waiting for a druid. I whispered to ask if I could join group, even pleaded, and was flat out ignored. Midway through the fight they tell me I need to level more so I can "be stronger", even though my cloak on their tank is doing 140 damage. When someone told them who my main is they finally grouped me. This just shows the greed that runs through everyone: omg this noob might be lying and steal a sun or a moon "O his main is a druid, I need to let him in so he can help me back later". Of course, they made me give up the sun disc that I needed, despite the many times in the past when I allowed them to keep drops from rockbelly and other bosses to equip their alts with armor I dont even have yet. People are too selfish and even when they help others it is often because they expect help in return later. I have often been whispered "come heal me. I helped your alt kill this defector, remember?" Oiuy, your point is valid but I think both are often appropriate. You can give someone knowledge or physical items, but they can be equally effective at helping the "noobs". I often converse with high levels and learn what stats and skills are most useful and in what combination, then pass them down to the low levels (some of whom have passed me long ago). This describes Oiuy's "teaching to fish", but I have found that usually the person comes back for more help. On the other hand, I have almost always let in the lower levels in boss groups who need the kill and passed them drops I dont need, essentially "giving them fish". In the grand scheme, I think they are equally valuable to the average low level, but neither prevents them from coming back for more. In this game you cannot give anything that'll keep someone perfectly satisfied and independent. Teach them how to make gold, give advice, give drops, etc...there is no limit to how much someone wants. Even for high levels: they all want to be higher level than those around them, join a better clan, get better armor, have full lux items, and repeat for their alts. The chain does not even end there; most high levels who have everything they could possible want turn to collecting and buy any rare item being sold.

i wasnt there lol but if its clan kill and drag\max r in the group u should ask only them, we wont add if they say not to, dont blame pantheon on something that most of the clans do, not letting u in groups, happens a lot it doesnt matter whats ur lvl, if its a clan kill so u wont join easily

Am I the only one who really cares about low lvl?

One approach is to give fish to a hungry person, every day.
Another approach is to teach the person fishing.

What do u mean saying "helping low lvl"? Give food or to teach fishing?

Mostly teaching.

Good to see you on the forums

Criminal, it was a mixed group. I was simply ignored, primarily because of my level