Criminal wrote:The forums are dead. Whether ur a loyal customer, a vanguard of the forums to defend VR and mods for everything, a mod, a guide, a VR member, one who uses forums occasionally and wonders where everyone is.... I’ll spell it clearly for everyone. Forums are dead.
Why is everyone too shy to say that? A board warning? A ban? Thread locked or deleted? None of that should worry u if the forums are already dead.
If you have to constantly tell people something that is supposed to be a fact, that kinda makes it more of an opinion. I just pulled up the forums after about 7 hours since last clearing the Unread topics, and there was a good 25+ replies/new threads. I know that's not indicative of the forums as a whole, and it also isn't that way every day, but still...they aren't dead, just at a slow point. Once the Unity beta starts on Monday, I'm sure there will be more activity now that there would be new content to discuss.
Criminal wrote:Mods wanted to clear the forums from toxicity and negativity, good job. They did it. No one is left to even discuss anything. Yes, I’ll say it openly even if it means im banned. A large reason the forums are dead are mods. Although an even bigger issue is lack of communication between players and VR (which is also partly due mods).
We want to discuss more freely, and we want more communication with VR. If u ask me whats better, dead forums with 0 negativity or lively forums with a certain amount of negativity, I’ll choose the latter anyday.
There can be lively forums with 0 negativity. The problem is that the negative people are usually the loudest ones...and therefore if the negative people get removed from the equation, then everything gets quieter. I'm more of the other opinion that negativity and wrong information only serves to make everything worse. I would rather see 20 posts a day with civil discussion about what could improve the game, than 100+ new threads and posts daily with people ranting about everything wrong with the game. If you equate negativity and toxicity with good discussion, then it's definitely not the mods who are the problem.
Nice to see that you are finally appreciating the mods for doing their job though
Criminal wrote:Forums can be the backbone of a game... shame we chose to remove it from this game. And no, I dont have much criticism to VR (other than lack of more frequent communication), but I am (or was) a dedicated forums user. Theres no reason to now, cus theres nothing to comment on, nothing to discuss, nothing to talk about. Boring.
Only some people have "removed the forums from the game". It's all a matter of personal opinion...just because you don't think the forums are useful, doesn't mean they aren't. Forums are useful for many things as well...not just for game feedback.
From what I've seen, you are really the only one to constantly be pushing the entire "forums are dead" idea. If that's the case, why stick around? Go hang out on the third party groups that are so much better than the official forums, and have so much better discussions.
Thats a bit ironic. While u will say Im the only one pushing "the forums are dead", ur the one to comment everywhere with a shield over VR and mods, literally everywhere. But that is irrelevant to me because I dont direct my comments to u, I direct them to VR.
From what Ive seen, u completely ignored the part of "lack of communication with VR is the bigger problem of forums", which I stated clearly to be the main issue, and not solely mods. When ppl here have their tongues stuck u know where, only to receive their guide or mods ranks, it tells a lot on the way forums are currently.
Im as blunt as I can be, and I'll be as cold about it as I can be. If ur a mod or a forum member and currently u disagree with my belief on the forums' situation, honestly? I dont really care. Im a forum member, u are forum members, whether guides or mods, none of us will change the game or forums alone and probably not even together. Who can change the situation of the forums? VR, and only VR.
Also, I think that when commenting openly way too many ppl are afraid to voice out, to not be seen as "negative" or "toxic" or anything, which Ive got a lot (including from a mod). Do u all say u disagree with me? Thats quite laughable. U say that my opinions are only my opinions? Thats really laughable. After all, the majority of u who disagreed with me, forum members, guides, mods and even VR, have PMed me through my comments and not to mention that the majority of u that did pm me, have come to see my points. So when commenting openly u hide behind sugarcoated words? Thats why it'll never get anywhere.
I'll always tell u that as blunt as possible. No, I dont intend to offend anyone (as ive said so far Ive liked VR's actions, just not the lack of communication), and I rather avoid getting into personal disagreements. But if u only want to see the positive by being narrow-sighted and blocking everything u disagree with by categorizing it as negative or toxic, what will that get u? Its not democracy if u only listen to what u want, its not democracy if u remove everything u consider negative (in ur *opinion*), if u censor everyone and moderate everything u dont like, its not democracy, its not making the forums any cleaner or better.