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Re: Server transfers

#41
zkiiii wrote:
MasterSK wrote:-1 to this
It's funny people who messed up on their server or have a bad rep wants to xfer. God this will make all the scammers dream come true if it did happen...

can u please explain how... because i tried proposing ideas like limiting the number of xfer to once per 6months or so... making items no trade nd adding restrictions to stuff u can carry with u


I didn’t assume anything. This is meant as a group discussion so when I say you, I mostly mean it as a generalization.
Second a lot of it would depend on what is allowed to be xfered. The only truely non detrimental way is to xfer and you take absolutely nothing with you except your levels. All items cash and banks, all gone. If any was allowed to be takin it makes it extremely easy for a scammer to xfer gear from server to server and make money. You can limit amount of xfers sure but accounts are free and would just have to make new account to xfer with.
If items are no drop scammers could join top end guild get geared then xfer off and sell account on diff server to some lazy whale who doesn’t care it’s origins and multiboxes. Yes it happens.
If droppable items or cash is allowed to be xfered then scammers truely gonna have a field day when they can scam by joining random top end clan, getting geared then moving that gear to Any server that they can find a whale willin to Buy said gear or in game gold for real life cash.

These are the easy cons as well, I’m sure some smart con artists can find many many more ways of screwing people over using xfers.
But honestly allowing people the ability to server hop is just going to kill even more servers than are already dead. So it’s not fixing more than it’s damaging. A lot of people play because they have history on a server and a group of friends they like to play with. If those people start disappearing and clans start dieing it’s going to ruin the game for a different set of people who now have to leave server or deal with thier own dead server. All server xfering does is opens a huge can of worms.

I would be ok if otm could look at all servers and any server that hasn’t killed gele in say last 5 months. Take all those servers and combine em. But don’t go messing with current active servers with a xfer. If you want to be part of that server, go ahead, as a new toon
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Re: Server transfers

#42
MasterSK wrote:
zkiiii wrote:
MasterSK wrote:-1 to this
It's funny people who messed up on their server or have a bad rep wants to xfer. God this will make all the scammers dream come true if it did happen...

can u please explain how... because i tried proposing ideas like limiting the number of xfer to once per 6months or so... making items no trade nd adding restrictions to stuff u can carry with u

I didn't read what others said just wanted to say something lol but then again it's wrong to just use a clan for gear n then xfer out after all the team work has been put in. Not everyone wants xfer out people those who wants to kill bt wants to go to that server which is already powerful as is. We in danu won't be killing bt anytime soon as we can't get that amount of players n we don't complain with these new weapons once most have gotten we will be some what near killing it with also few new clannies. Killing a new boss once it's out not long ago will get boring after a few months or so anyways good things take time. :)

ye the problem here is bt need alot more people then servers have atm.... but when u look at forums u ll realise people are xfering anyway to arawn or epona. so it ll just make things easier for them.. and do u think servers like our and your can kill bt if they buffed it once more or added a new bosses whose description will say need 50 people but actually it ll need 70 toons?! All are assumptions but umm ok these are ridiculous one from me lol.. but well then again again everyone is just making wild assumptions and no one can predict future...
And everyone thought cg will make servers lively again..but i feel its the opposite actually
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Re: Server transfers

#43
zkiiii wrote:
MasterSK wrote:
zkiiii wrote:can u please explain how... because i tried proposing ideas like limiting the number of xfer to once per 6months or so... making items no trade nd adding restrictions to stuff u can carry with u

I didn't read what others said just wanted to say something lol but then again it's wrong to just use a clan for gear n then xfer out after all the team work has been put in. Not everyone wants xfer out people those who wants to kill bt wants to go to that server which is already powerful as is. We in danu won't be killing bt anytime soon as we can't get that amount of players n we don't complain with these new weapons once most have gotten we will be some what near killing it with also few new clannies. Killing a new boss once it's out not long ago will get boring after a few months or so anyways good things take time. :)

ye the problem here is bt need alot more people then servers have atm.... but when u look at forums u ll realise people are xfering anyway to arawn or epona. so it ll just make things easier for them.. and do u think servers like our and your can kill bt if they buffed it once more or added a new bosses whose description will say need 50 people but actually it ll need 70 toons?! All are assumptions but umm ok these are ridiculous one from me lol.. but well then again again everyone is just making wild assumptions and no one can predict future...
And everyone thought cg will make servers lively again..but i feel its the opposite actually


It’s not really the fact that bt requires more than servers have. It’s that bt requires highly geared people. Bt could be done by 35 40ish if nearly all in dg and imp/godly geared. One of the main problems is the drop rate. Godly imp from end game so gee golly rare. Hell 1 godly oblivion in 7-8 months is too godamn rare. People came back for gardens and found out that the drop rate it still trash, and gardens is so small that doesn’t really offer anything to do daily. You can get tier 3 faction in 1 day and if n end game clan can drop lich/reaver pretty easy. Then what? There is 1 boss but requires a hella geared group or tons of people. But it’s hard to keep the hella geared peeps cause it takes so long to gear a group that they end up quittin faster than we can gear lol. What this game needs is more to do on a daily basis. Server xfer won’t change this issue. It will just rush more people to being geared and quitting sooner cause nothin else to do.
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Re: Server transfers

#44
Sockthief wrote:
zkiiii wrote:
MasterSK wrote: I didn't read what others said just wanted to say something lol but then again it's wrong to just use a clan for gear n then xfer out after all the team work has been put in. Not everyone wants xfer out people those who wants to kill bt wants to go to that server which is already powerful as is. We in danu won't be killing bt anytime soon as we can't get that amount of players n we don't complain with these new weapons once most have gotten we will be some what near killing it with also few new clannies. Killing a new boss once it's out not long ago will get boring after a few months or so anyways good things take time. :)

ye the problem here is bt need alot more people then servers have atm.... but when u look at forums u ll realise people are xfering anyway to arawn or epona. so it ll just make things easier for them.. and do u think servers like our and your can kill bt if they buffed it once more or added a new bosses whose description will say need 50 people but actually it ll need 70 toons?! All are assumptions but umm ok these are ridiculous one from me lol.. but well then again again everyone is just making wild assumptions and no one can predict future...
And everyone thought cg will make servers lively again..but i feel its the opposite actually


It’s not really the fact that bt requires more than servers have. It’s that bt requires highly geared people. Bt could be done by 35 40ish if nearly all in dg and imp/godly geared. One of the main problems is the drop rate. Godly imp from end game so gee golly rare. Hell 1 godly oblivion in 7-8 months is too godamn rare. People came back for gardens and found out that the drop rate it still trash, and gardens is so small that doesn’t really offer anything to do daily. You can get tier 3 faction in 1 day and if n end game clan can drop lich/reaver pretty easy. Then what? There is 1 boss but requires a hella geared group or tons of people. But it’s hard to keep the hella geared peeps cause it takes so long to gear a group that they end up quittin faster than we can gear lol. What this game needs is more to do on a daily basis. Server xfer won’t change this issue. It will just rush more people to being geared and quitting sooner cause nothin else to do.

well again all i see i otm fault... they want to preserve rarity of godly gears but also except that everyone have one... actually i never said make server xfer so that more people can kill bt asap(kind of did but actually thats not how i see xfering)
its something i debated 1 month before cg update came. its for those who dont like the way server is and have or goin to quit... nd yes letting thm xfer only level is gud alternative too nd they can xfer gold thru a middle man.. i already said it penalty should be strong enuff so that it should be viewed as an option not a luxury maybe on a different thread thou..
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Re: Server transfers

#45
Sockthief wrote:
zkiiii wrote:
MasterSK wrote:-1 to this
It's funny people who messed up on their server or have a bad rep wants to xfer. God this will make all the scammers dream come true if it did happen...

can u please explain how... because i tried proposing ideas like limiting the number of xfer to once per 6months or so... making items no trade nd adding restrictions to stuff u can carry with u


I didn’t assume anything. This is meant as a group discussion so when I say you, I mostly mean it as a generalization.
Second a lot of it would depend on what is allowed to be xfered. The only truely non detrimental way is to xfer and you take absolutely nothing with you except your levels. All items cash and banks, all gone. If any was allowed to be takin it makes it extremely easy for a scammer to xfer gear from server to server and make money. You can limit amount of xfers sure but accounts are free and would just have to make new account to xfer with.
If items are no drop scammers could join top end guild get geared then xfer off and sell account on diff server to some lazy whale who doesn’t care it’s origins and multiboxes. Yes it happens.
If droppable items or cash is allowed to be xfered then scammers truely gonna have a field day when they can scam by joining random top end clan, getting geared then moving that gear to Any server that they can find a whale willin to Buy said gear or in game gold for real life cash.

These are the easy cons as well, I’m sure some smart con artists can find many many more ways of screwing people over using xfers.
But honestly allowing people the ability to server hop is just going to kill even more servers than are already dead. So it’s not fixing more than it’s damaging. A lot of people play because they have history on a server and a group of friends they like to play with. If those people start disappearing and clans start dieing it’s going to ruin the game for a different set of people who now have to leave server or deal with thier own dead server. All server xfering does is opens a huge can of worms.

I would be ok if otm could look at all servers and any server that hasn’t killed gele in say last 5 months. Take all those servers and combine em. But don’t go messing with current active servers with a xfer. If you want to be part of that server, go ahead, as a new toon

kind of happy to see a reasonable point.. lol..
zkiiii lvl 220 mage
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member of PEGASUS, LUGH
server EPONA
zkiii lvl145 mage
member of EVIL CLOWNS
GOD AMONG NUBS

Re: Server transfers

#46
Alyssandra wrote:Even we have our limits with player's attitudes ^^"

There are pros and cons to ever server type. Dom clans are not inherently bad, it's just one style of gameplay. Some people thrive in clans that are underdogs, so on and so forth.

Even on Epona you have to be willing to grind, camp and put in the effort. We don't spoon feed.


I don't think enough attention was paid to this.

Transfering servers won't make your game experience better automatically. You think you're just gonna be welcomed with open arms and just start collecting drops when you've done nothing to contribute to the server?

People complaining about dominant clans are generally the ones who aren't willing to grind, camp and put in effort as described above. So their situation probably won't change much if what Alyssandra is saying is true.

That said, there could be legit reasons to xfer servers. I'd say that if you do transfer, all tradeable gear stays in the other server in your bank (would have to allow the bank to stay somehow). You can transfer gold, lixes, restos, idols (anything you get from chests) and all "no trade items" but tradeable/equitable gear cannot cross servers (except maybe lux is).

That way you can still have the stuff you paid rl money for. Lix, lux, plat items. Unless you're saying you paid rl money for other gear which is against the TOS, so that's not an issue right?
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Re: Server transfers

#47
Thefreeze wrote:EDIT (20/05): I reccomend you read my view on server merges before commenting on what I’ve wrote here. My view is different but I will keep this up for the referencing



Can any OTM staff give us an insight if this is being discussed / attempts at it to be implemented

Or have I missed something and this is already confirmed ?

Many players seem to want player transfers and honestly I think the idea would be genius for those wanting to leave but not restart.

It could work like how players are copied over in beta but instead the old toon on the old server is deleted

I didnt study economics but I think it would seriously disrupt a servers economics ig this was implemented. As of this moment, epona is experiencing a mass amount of xfers, imagine a server having 10 godly blood/obliv rings or maybe transferring all the loot from bosses to one server. It would break the game. Bt would be downed in 10 min. If the system only allowed gold, I would be for that. But a drop xfer system I'm a definite -1. What happened with aeon fash would happen to everything. And otm has internally conversed about this topic and has rejected it in the past. As for the future, only they could confirm/deny, but I think it's likely they will continue to shoot the idea down.
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Re: Server transfers

#48
Sockthief wrote:
zkiiii wrote:
MasterSK wrote:-1 to this
It's funny people who messed up on their server or have a bad rep wants to xfer. God this will make all the scammers dream come true if it did happen...

can u please explain how... because i tried proposing ideas like limiting the number of xfer to once per 6months or so... making items no trade nd adding restrictions to stuff u can carry with u


I didn’t assume anything. This is meant as a group discussion so when I say you, I mostly mean it as a generalization.
Second a lot of it would depend on what is allowed to be xfered. The only truely non detrimental way is to xfer and you take absolutely nothing with you except your levels. All items cash and banks, all gone. If any was allowed to be takin it makes it extremely easy for a scammer to xfer gear from server to server and make money. You can limit amount of xfers sure but accounts are free and would just have to make new account to xfer with.
If items are no drop scammers could join top end guild get geared then xfer off and sell account on diff server to some lazy whale who doesn’t care it’s origins and multiboxes. Yes it happens.
If droppable items or cash is allowed to be xfered then scammers truely gonna have a field day when they can scam by joining random top end clan, getting geared then moving that gear to Any server that they can find a whale willin to Buy said gear or in game gold for real life cash.

These are the easy cons as well, I’m sure some smart con artists can find many many more ways of screwing people over using xfers.
But honestly allowing people the ability to server hop is just going to kill even more servers than are already dead. So it’s not fixing more than it’s damaging. A lot of people play because they have history on a server and a group of friends they like to play with. If those people start disappearing and clans start dieing it’s going to ruin the game for a different set of people who now have to leave server or deal with thier own dead server. All server xfering does is opens a huge can of worms.

I would be ok if otm could look at all servers and any server that hasn’t killed gele in say last 5 months. Take all those servers and combine em. But don’t go messing with current active servers with a xfer. If you want to be part of that server, go ahead, as a new toon


Everything you transfer with would simply be bound to your toon. So while you might be able to grab a few items off servers, it would never create a financial gain.
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Re: Server transfers

#49
-1

This is coming from a guy who just scrapped his top tier mage to xfer and switch servers. Xfering is hard, but it should be, otherwise everyone would just xfer to the top few servers and everywhere else would die out.
Also to everyone who says economy would be fine because supply wouldn't be touched due to items being BOE, I ask you to look back to your high school econ course and remember that supply is only half the picture. If you enter a server with gear you no longer have demand for gear on that server, demand goes down.

It would be nice to see otm provide a legit trade window for xfers to remove scamming from the equation, but otherwise any attempt to provide xfers to this game would just hurt the game overall.
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