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Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:01 pm
by Zyz
Zkills wrote:
Zyz wrote:Lol, rumors. That made me laugh. My students tell me rumors all the time. And most... Almost all turn out to be...

I heard from a guy who knows a guy whose uncle's cousin's nephew's sister's dad that he knows a woman whose brother's third removed aunt's aunt that dated Muldar said they were gonna hire someone to spread rumors.

Where's Bitey to post the scene of "we want the truth!" "you can't handle the truth!"

Eggs are prob like . 000001-100%

I'm actually confused on drop rates. If 2 people only open 1 chest and each gets a dragon egg, would that be a 100% drop rate?

Muldar went on a date?????


It's just a rumor right now. We'll wait for Muldar to confirm.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:08 pm
by Zyz
Furyion wrote:
Zyz wrote:I'm actually confused on drop rates. If 2 people only open 1 chest and each gets a dragon egg, would that be a 100% drop rate?

Kind of.

In your example 100% of people who opened chests have gotten an egg(stats). But the chance of getting an egg is not 100%(drop rate).

You could call both cases a drop rate, but it is more accurate to say statistically how many people have gotten eggs, and the hardcoded drop % separately.


Ah. Okay. Let's take an extreme example. Let's say 100 people opened 1 chest each and each got a dragon egg. It would be 100% of people opening chest receive a dragon egg but the drop rate mights still be 0.001%? I know that would never happen. I'm just trying to figure out how all that works as we had 1 guy on fingal that got 2 eggs out of chests (yes, seriously)but someone else opened just shy of 1000 chests and got 0 eggs.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:37 pm
by Everything
Don't enjoy that "rumours" were used to offer the OP's own opinion.

Say that drop rates are disclosed, from the way people talk about this it's like they expect OTM to release the drop rates so that they can become enraged at how bad they are.

We already know drop rates are bad and people still buy chests. Some of us want to buy chests to support the game and not just for our on benefit, and some buy for in game items, and both are fine.

But OTM releasing the drop rates doesn't oblige them to have to actually change the rates, which is what everyone who talks about this topic seems to be expecting will happen.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:27 am
by Zyz
Everything wrote:Don't enjoy that "rumours" were used to offer the OP's own opinion.

Say that drop rates are disclosed, from the way people talk about this it's like they expect OTM to release the drop rates so that they can become enraged at how bad they are.

We already know drop rates are bad and people still buy chests. Some of us want to buy chests to support the game and not just for our on benefit, and some buy for in game items, and both are fine.

But OTM releasing the drop rates doesn't oblige them to have to actually change the rates, which is what everyone who talks about this topic seems to be expecting will happen.


I play a tower defense game that has loot boxes. They have toon packs where they range from 2-4* bots. You typically have to spend hundreds to hope a 4* drops even though occasionally you'll buy a $20 bundle and a 4* drops (very very rarely). They released the odds. The 4* has a 1% chance and you hope that's not a duplicate. But we already knew they were rare drops so we saw the drop rate and went "yep. Knew it was low." The information was pretty worthless to release.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:48 am
by Shivahh
Zyz wrote:
Everything wrote:Don't enjoy that "rumours" were used to offer the OP's own opinion.

Say that drop rates are disclosed, from the way people talk about this it's like they expect OTM to release the drop rates so that they can become enraged at how bad they are.

We already know drop rates are bad and people still buy chests. Some of us want to buy chests to support the game and not just for our on benefit, and some buy for in game items, and both are fine.

But OTM releasing the drop rates doesn't oblige them to have to actually change the rates, which is what everyone who talks about this topic seems to be expecting will happen.


I play a tower defense game that has loot boxes. They have toon packs where they range from 2-4* bots. You typically have to spend hundreds to hope a 4* drops even though occasionally you'll buy a $20 bundle and a 4* drops (very very rarely). They released the odds. The 4* has a 1% chance and you hope that's not a duplicate. But we already knew they were rare drops so we saw the drop rate and went "yep. Knew it was low." The information was pretty worthless to release.

I wouldn't say it's worthless but it's practically a waste of time

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:43 am
by Everything
Shivahh wrote:
Zyz wrote:
Everything wrote:Don't enjoy that "rumours" were used to offer the OP's own opinion.

Say that drop rates are disclosed, from the way people talk about this it's like they expect OTM to release the drop rates so that they can become enraged at how bad they are.

We already know drop rates are bad and people still buy chests. Some of us want to buy chests to support the game and not just for our on benefit, and some buy for in game items, and both are fine.

But OTM releasing the drop rates doesn't oblige them to have to actually change the rates, which is what everyone who talks about this topic seems to be expecting will happen.


I play a tower defense game that has loot boxes. They have toon packs where they range from 2-4* bots. You typically have to spend hundreds to hope a 4* drops even though occasionally you'll buy a $20 bundle and a 4* drops (very very rarely). They released the odds. The 4* has a 1% chance and you hope that's not a duplicate. But we already knew they were rare drops so we saw the drop rate and went "yep. Knew it was low." The information was pretty worthless to release.

I wouldn't say it's worthless but it's practically a waste of time

Exactly. We purchase these kinds of things expecting the cool rare stuff to be... Well, rare. (Unless you're delusional).

Which is why I don't understand why some of these guys think releasing the odds will change anything..

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 pm
by Proteus Prime
all the people against knowing the exact statistics = OTM employees and propaganda spreaders :P 'Due to forum feedback we decided to nerf blah blah blah' or it was just a buncha of employees pretending to be normal people woah o:

*hides in a bunker bc she afraid of car bombs and street side drive by assassinations*

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:16 pm
by blinkdagger
OTM are not forcing us to buy chests. You can still enjoy this game even if you don't buy chest. So why are you forcing OTM to tell the drop rates? They don't have to tell drop rates not unless APPLE force them. Because you gamble on the chest don't expect to win all the time. Go to casino and ask them how rare is your chanches of winning. I doubt they will tell you.

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:43 pm
by Alyssandra
blinkdagger wrote:OTM are not forcing us to buy chests. You can still enjoy this game even if you don't buy chest. So why are you forcing OTM to tell the drop rates? They don't have to tell drop rates not unless APPLE force them. Because you gamble on the chest don't expect to win all the time. Go to casino and ask them how rare is your chanches of winning. I doubt they will tell you.


The entire point of the thread is that APPLE changed loot box policies so companies have to disclose drop rates. ^^

Re: so OTM...Chest Drop Rates...When are you disclosing them?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:09 pm
by quinn2000
Zyz wrote:
Furyion wrote:
Zyz wrote:I'm actually confused on drop rates. If 2 people only open 1 chest and each gets a dragon egg, would that be a 100% drop rate?

Kind of.

In your example 100% of people who opened chests have gotten an egg(stats). But the chance of getting an egg is not 100%(drop rate).

You could call both cases a drop rate, but it is more accurate to say statistically how many people have gotten eggs, and the hardcoded drop % separately.


Ah. Okay. Let's take an extreme example. Let's say 100 people opened 1 chest each and each got a dragon egg. It would be 100% of people opening chest receive a dragon egg but the drop rate mights still be 0.001%? I know that would never happen. I'm just trying to figure out how all that works as we had 1 guy on fingal that got 2 eggs out of chests (yes, seriously)but someone else opened just shy of 1000 chests and got 0 eggs.



"Random" numbers can never be truly "random" when generated by a computer. They always follow a programmed algorithm.